What to do on rainy days...

[Elgreco]

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Just have to try the air retracts and it should be ready for the next time out.

(I have to get one of those airplane stands now. Can't work on it easily right now. )

Also here is the progress of the next one. Just gluing the wings.



Also, does anyone have an idea of programming the radio mixes ? Theses kits don't come with any instructions and I have to figure out how to mix the aileron/elevators with the thrust vectoring, as well as turning it on or off.

And I though Helis can get complicated. Holy crap...

[Elgreco]

Also guys, I need to make sure on how to do something.

The airplane comes wired to receive two 3s batteries. There are 2 connections to make, not a single Y connection. So there are 2 deans like this, black to 1 ESC, red to the other black, and the other red to the other ESC.

I need to run a 2s and a 4s in parallel to make them 6s and then connect them to the airplane.

Or can I just connect the 2s to one dean and the other 4s to the other and still works ? I think so, no ?
At the end I will have my 6s whether I connect 2x 3s or a 2s and a 4 s.

I can keep the 2 deans wiring on the airplane ?

[zorba]

That screwed my day...

Is that the one from Banana hobbies?

[zorba]

Mario you can't connect a 2s and a4s in parallel and have 6s.
You can only do that in series.
In parallel will double you Amps and in series will double your voltage.

Cheers

[zorba]

Also, does anyone have an idea of programming the radio mixes ? Theses kits don't come with any instructions and I have to figure out how to mix the aileron/elevators with the thrust vectoring, as well as turning it on or off.


You shouldn't have the vectoring on all the time. You can assign it to a dual-rate switch.

[Andrew Fernie]

Mario,

Can you draw out the wiring?

Andrew

[Elgreco]

Oh, I mean series then, I always confuse the terminology.
The airplane is meant to be flown on 6s and I got the 2s+4s setup for 2 reasons.
First because this is what everyone suggests on rcgroups because of CG. The plane has 2 compartments, one if front and one in the back of the cockpit and it comes if you want with 2 3s batteries. Guys however found that it is best to use 2s and 4s for better cg.

Also my f-14 flies on 4s so I can use the same batteries.

Now what did you mean Billy it screwed your day ? lol btw, yes, banana hobby

Andrew, this is a pic of the wiring.

I assume after I thought about it that I can avoid the y harness I was planning to use since even it is not 2 3s batteries, the overall effect will be the same. I should end up with 6s at the end no matter which battery I plug first right ?

PS. I already plugged 2 3s batteries for power up and it works fine.
BTW, I just barely touched the throttle and it blew a bag of garbage away from 5 ft. I had to grab it before it falls from the bench..

[Andrew Fernie]

Mario,

The arrangement they have is exactly what you need to turn your 2S and 4S into a 6S (as Billy pointed out, in series, not parallel).

Andrew

[Elgreco]

ok, thanks

Now on to the mixing. I will fool around a bit but do you have any starting points ?

lol, I know it's impossible to know from there.

[zorba]

hehehehehe I didn't mean YOU screwed my day.
I got one too....
But the F/A 18 Super Hornet.
No stock yet maybe in the middle of May..



cheers

[zorba]

What? are these Dean's connectors that I see? hhhmmmmmm
more crimping....

[RichR]

-Select/Mix Elev-> Aux1/Aux2 (or which ever channel your thrust vector servo is plugged into).
-Adjust thrust vector channel using travel adjust(or mix percentage) to mimic elev travel.
-Input Exponential for both Elev and Thrust vector channel(safer to have greater expo number on thrust vector channel)
- Select/Create mix from either Elev to Aile or T-vector channel To Aile
- Reduce Aile travel to a percentage of that of Elev/T-vector using travel adjust(or mix percentage)
-Note that Aile servos must not be connected by Y-harness, must be plugged into separate channels.

*Note: Reverse whichever channel is needed

Anyhow, there's more than one way to do this and it all depends on your radio.

[Elgreco]

Thanks Rich. I read this as I almost finished figuring it out.

I created some mixes to the channels that TV was assigned and it works.
I have it set on FM 1 and 2 and off on normal.

I have not programmed any dual rates or expo yet.

Problem is there is nothing about throws in the manual,(cheap chinese) so I go pretty much by eye.

Anyhow, maybe someone that know can take a look at it at the field.

Finally it is easier than I thought. I just never had done anything that complicated on an airplane before and was afraid.

Right now I am gluing the vertical fins. Rudder and rudder TV is left to do.

Can't wait to fly it. Also I wish I can upgrade later on to a 12 ch radio (waiting to see the new xtreme power systems radio) so I can use the parachutes and smoke bombs :D

Billy, nice ! You should finish the octa with the camera this summer and have it set at points on the field and take video from the air. We can have some pretend air fights with the mig and the f-14 and f-18. That would be a cool video to edit !!

On to new ventures.

[RichR]

Very cool Mario, can't wait to see it fly! If the XPS radio is as good as they say it will be, I'm going to pick one up as well, from what I've read it's suppose to be some ridiculously low price as well! And it's open source!

[xed]

XPS... This guy is an asshat and his products are questionable at best. Huge threads on Flying Giants from 2008-09 were dedicated to his radio system that didn't hop frequencies as *he* claimed, interference, models lost...

If they are cheap...

[zorba]

Billy, nice ! You should finish the octa with the camera this summer and have it set at points on the field and take video from the air. We can have some pretend air fights with the mig and the f-14 and f-18. That would be a cool video to edit !!


Thanks Mario.The Octo (coaxial) and the Hexa are ready with cameras and all. I did test flights at the shop.
Just need to do some more tweaking to finalize it and ready to go. I am working on a new "venture" now. Electric multirotor flight without batteries, hhhmmmm???? (microwave propably???)


Cheers

[zorba]

Are you talking about POI (point of interest) thing.
Firmware V.84 will do that. Take a look this video to the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nG7SrWn000&feature=player_embedded#at=16


Cheers

[RichR]

XPS... This guy is an asshat and his products are questionable at best. Huge threads on Flying Giants from 2008-09 were dedicated to his radio system that didn't hop frequencies as *he* claimed, interference, models lost...

If they are cheap...

That's why Mario is going to be the guinea pig and try it out first! lol XPS says the radio will sell for $249, so not such a big deal to set it up to a 6oz. foamy and test it out. They do seem to make extravagant claims concerning their new radio. The article below pretty much summarizes what you were saying, the link below that is the discussion on rcgroups concerning the new upcoming radio. We'll see what happens once it's released, I have never owned any of their products!!! I'm willing to give them a chance to prove themselves though.

http://www.rcmodelreviews.com/xpshopping.shtml

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1243767

[beto9]

-Select/Mix Elev-> Aux1/Aux2 (or which ever channel your thrust vector servo is plugged into).
-Adjust thrust vector channel using travel adjust(or mix percentage) to mimic elev travel.
-Input Exponential for both Elev and Thrust vector channel(safer to have greater expo number on thrust vector channel)
- Select/Create mix from either Elev to Aile or T-vector channel To Aile
- Reduce Aile travel to a percentage of that of Elev/T-vector using travel adjust(or mix percentage)
-Note that Aile servos must not be connected by Y-harness, must be plugged into separate channels.

*Note: Reverse whichever channel is needed

Anyhow, there's more than one way to do this and it all depends on your radio.

Uh?!

Speak christian, man!

Mario, with a Futaba radio you just tell the radio what you want to do and it programs itself....

[Elgreco]

I have had no experience with their previous radio but as far as their receiver products go, Larry had them and never had an issue, and many people on RR have used them also with never having an issue.

Also why not give someone else a chance ?

Is futaba or jr/spektrum flawless ?

There have been issues with them also especially the latest DX8 and they cost in the upwards of 300-400 dollars.
I am not saying you have no merit saying what you say but times change. So can they.

Heck, Hyundai 20 years ago were the crappiest cars you can get and now look at them. They own the market and they are #1 company in many European countries.
Best car I ever owned a few years back.

Anyway, let the radio come out and we'll see. Just because you had bad experience years ago it does not mean they will always have bad products.

[RichR]

Uh?!

Speak christian, man!

Mario, with a Futaba radio you just tell the radio what you want to do and it programs itself....


lol... It was late and I was tired! +1 on Spektrum and their issues and recalls! Done are my days with Spek! Release date for XPS Tx is July so far as I've heard. I like my futaba 8FG Super, but would like to purchase a JR XG8, just need to find out whether DMSS is FCC approved or not!!!! I will have Futaba, JR and potentially XPS...

Verify DX8 owner stats here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1316264&page=56

P.S. DX8 owners check your servo monitor screens to make sure your potentiometers are centering to Zero and not off by a few percent, the latest problem is caused by dirty pots!

[zorba]

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[RichR]

Billy...what did you delete?! :rolleyes:

[zorba]

Information about a capacitor that Spektrum uses on the Rx in case of a power loss. I used the on my helis but the ad says not for airplanes. I wonder why?
That's all....

[zorba]

Mario, with a Futaba radio you just tell the radio what you want to do and it programs itself....

That would be cool. I wonder if they have them in a different language,,,,hehehehe that way noone can change your settings by mistake...

[Elgreco]

I am uploading the videos of my finished Mig. I'll have them posted soon...

[Elgreco]

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[Kevin Rochon]

Cool Mario :cool:

[matador_24]

Both jets are awesome! I can't wait to see them flying! when are they gonna fly????
how does the mig's retracts work? servos, oil or air?

[Elgreco]

Retracts are electric, no servos. Just a screwdriver motion and they lock in both positions. Pretty solid from what they look like.
Very smart and easy way also to do the doors with the string.
I don't know how much it will last but time will tell. Others are reinforcing them with magnets. I'll see.

Hoping for good weather in one of the upcoming weekends. I don't know about the next one but as soon as I get the chance.

[Burning Head]

That's rock Mario:)

[LAMAHORSE]

Congrat's Mario,

on the new baby EDF ...

yeah saw that MIG whne it came out and shure is something to see from close ... I am waiting on nice sunny days to begin my primer on my HET MIG 29 SMT version ... I wont get RG's on my to keep the weight low ...

Looking foward on your maiden and have a Bandit DAY then ...

What is your T/O weight?
What is your TWR (trust weight ratio)?

[Elgreco]

I have not weighted it yet but specs say 2400gr with batteries and 2500 TWR

I am using a 2s+4s battery setup and from a fast look cg looks to be ok. I have no means of checking exactly but form the manual, it seems to be pretty close.

I hope I will not have any adventures on the maiden.

[finnegan]

Alright Mario, you forced me into this one!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zorba]

Cool Larry. What the world is comming to?
I think we are going to need a longer runway...

[turkana]

Russian Planes just kick A..! Awsome!

[Elgreco]

My problem is I don't know how/where to store them.

Any suggestions from you airplane guys ?

Keep in mind that this one, I can not take the wings off.

Also Billy, I just saw the F-18. It's the new one right ? They didn't have this when I ordered. On the other hand I just saw they lowered their prices on the other product.
There is something about military jets. I just like them a lot. If this proves to be worthy, I am planning to get a few other models as well. ...Crap, have to figure out where to put them.

[Sempai-mj]

Hang them from the ceiling in your garage.

[zorba]

Yea it is. That's the only one I liked since everybody is going for the Mig. I wanted the mig also but are too many of them around.
F18,f14,mig29,mitchell we are building a squadron here. cool



Hang them from the ceiling in your garage.

hahahaha they will be noticed...
Why don't we turn the back room into a hobby room Mario?


Cheers

[beto9]

Alright Mario, you forced me into this one!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry! I will not call you buddy anymore. From now on is "Tovarich"!

[beto9]

Mario, this thread should have been called:

What to do in a rainy month!

[Burning Head]

Do we have a psy in the members list:D