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Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-05, 06:58 AM
My goal is to finish this by spring ... I better get started! :)
The wing span is 118" and it will be powered by a DA150 with tuned pipes.
Here is a picture of a very similar aircraft owned by Michael Vernier, a Carden Extra 260 40%.
I'm not sure yet what my color scheme will be ... any suggestions?
Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-05, 07:21 AM
The first step is to create a nice flat work table. I use a string to check the flatness.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-05, 07:28 AM
And finish it off ...
Sempai-mj
2011-03-05, 09:05 AM
Nice table, now we expect some pictures during the build.
Burning Head
2011-03-05, 09:38 AM
A good working area is the first step to build a masterpiece:cool:
beto9
2011-03-05, 11:41 AM
You are going to be busy, busy, busy for a while but the satisfaction of having it finished is fantastic.
Hope to see it fly, maybe in formation with Michael...
Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-05, 11:58 AM
The kit has 4 boxes ... only one with wood ... the rest are foam ... it's just a big foamy! Let's see what's in the wood box.:)
Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-05, 12:11 PM
I was confused for a bit until taking all the wood out and found the engine box sides on the bottom ... now for a test fit of the engine box parts with the engine and one side of the exhaust system before gluing it together with epoxy.
Kevin Rochon
2011-03-05, 01:01 PM
Nice work Dwight I'm jealous it is so much more fun to build than to fix an airplane.
Looks like an amazing Kit it should go well together. Will you be using mainly epoxy is it mostly ply for the Fuse? BTW are you building this in MTL or at your apartment?
bob forest
2011-03-05, 01:20 PM
Ivan Kristensan has a good web site with good building hints. Have a look.
http://ivankristensen.phanfare.com/2292528#imageID=35509176
Michael V
2011-03-05, 01:31 PM
I look forward to seeing you progress through the build.
briankizner
2011-03-05, 01:54 PM
Looks like a great project.
A build table? - it looked more like a coffin at first.
Have fun with the build.
shrek
2011-03-05, 04:37 PM
what are the dimensions of yuor table. i am building my work shop right now and i am looking for the perfect dimensions for my island work table
Glenn Hole
2011-03-05, 04:51 PM
Nice A/C Dwight lots of work ahead take your time (no rush) Nice big project.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-05, 11:32 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys. The engine box is the only ply part of the fuse except for the wing and stab supports, the rest is balsa or balsa over foam. I'm using epoxy for the ply parts and either epoxy or CA for the balsa. I'm working on it mostly in my apartment in Sherbrooke during the week.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-05, 11:38 PM
The table is 2' x 8' made from a piece of 4' x 8' x 3/4" MDF cut in half. A second sheet is cut in 6" x 8' strips for the sides. I had these cuts done at Reno, the rest of the cutting by myself.
Thanks for the link to Ivan's great pics and pointers Bob.
bob forest
2011-03-06, 12:36 AM
As you know Dwight, I know Ivan and he built quiet a few of the Cardens. I was pretty sure you would get a few good ideas from his build. Also Paul Burage built one and it is now finished, but Ivan really had it down to a science. I am sure yours will be something to see.
Now in Chicago baby sitting my grand daughter. have been here since the 22nd and going back on tuesday. The weather has been almost like spring. Tonight it is snowing, first snow fall since I have been here. Did not have time to go to Al's Hobby shop.
beto9
2011-03-06, 11:07 AM
I look forward to seeing you progress through the build.
Ah! You are alive! How's Lily?
Michael V
2011-03-06, 08:54 PM
Yes I'm
Lily and Andrew and the wife are keeping me busy, I have a new 2nd hobby my Jeep Wranger and a 3rd POKER :)
I still have to repair my Carden after that stupid landing in the fall. I planned to repair it when I get laid-off but so far I have been working so that's good.
I don't think I'll join this year but I will pass by every once and a while to say hello.
Take care
Hey where can you park a Jeep?
Anywhere you want! :)
beto9
2011-03-07, 09:43 AM
That's all it counts! Everybody OK, including the Jeep!
Where are you going to fly this year?
Ronald Longtin
2011-03-07, 11:17 AM
Impressive project Dwight, it should be a sweet flyer.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-07, 07:43 PM
Measuring the truss diagonal angle with a protractor and setting the angles on the saw worked very well and was quite fast ... a bit of trial and error to get the correct length though ... I didn't want gaps ... thin CA works great with no gaps.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-07, 07:54 PM
I didn't have the correct size hole saw for the wing and stab tubes, so I just used my drill press like a router.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-07, 07:59 PM
I take a lot of pics so it will be quicker if I build one of these again.
Sempai-mj
2011-03-07, 08:33 PM
Great pics, nice to see a build in progress.
zorba
2011-03-07, 08:42 PM
Very nice work Dwight. let me ask you something...are you doing all this work in your apartement?
I mean the chop saw?
Can I join you.. I am NOT allowed to use heavy machinery here....
Kevin Rochon
2011-03-07, 09:15 PM
Chop saw for balsa ok thats a bit overkill no:D does it make a good fine cut? I've always used a razor saw.
BTW is that jig part of the kit or you made it?
Dwight Macdonald
2011-03-08, 12:45 AM
Thanks guys. I made the jig parts mostly in the garage of my L'Ile Bizard house ... finer cutting like all the balsa and ply is in my apartment with the chop saw. The saw is very tight and precise with a sharp blade ... it would likely even be better with a crosscut blade.
Kevin Rochon
2011-03-08, 08:44 PM
Dwight one suggestion if I may, you can use Alphatic resin glue instead of thin CA it fills gap if any but the most important is that it looses weight when it dries contrary to CA.
Also it sand easy again contrary to CA. + no fumes no sticky fingers:eek:
Kevin Rochon
2011-04-24, 01:04 AM
any updates Dwight?
Dwight Macdonald
2011-04-24, 02:09 AM
I'm a bit behind on my posts ...
Gluing the engine box to the fuse sides.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-04-24, 02:18 AM
Adding the horizontal pieces.
bob forest
2011-04-24, 09:06 AM
That is a lot of work. Really nice to look at.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-04-24, 03:34 PM
Thanks Bob. It's a nice change in the evenings when I come home from work ... I'm really enjoying it.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-04-25, 01:30 AM
Horizontal pieces finished. Foam parts are laminated with balsa and epoxy in a vaccuum bag. The epoxy is thinned with 70% isopropanol for easy spreading. The vacuum is set to 7 inches (full vacuum is 30 inches) ... Equivalent to about 5 pounds per square inch.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-04-25, 01:36 AM
Oops missed a few.
Dwight Macdonald
2011-04-25, 01:40 AM
Bottom deck pieces are sheeted. The thinned epoxy is spread even and very thin using a credit card. The balsa is sprayed with hair spray and let dry before applying the epoxy. Hair spray seals the wood so the epoxy doesn't soak in too much ... Requires less epoxy and saves weight.
Kevin Rochon
2011-04-25, 08:17 PM
looking good Dwight:yes:
Flying73
2011-04-26, 10:18 AM
Very impressive. I've never seen a build with such techniques.
Kevin Rochon
2011-04-26, 08:43 PM
Did you make that vacuum system yourself Dwight?
Michael V
2011-04-26, 08:53 PM
looking good Dwight!!
Dwight Macdonald
2011-04-26, 10:21 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys.
The vacuum pump was purchased used for about $70 from e-Bay. I used valves and tubing from Rona, a cheap gas filter from C. Tire to keep dust out of the pump and an old auto vacuum gauge.
Kevin Rochon
2012-01-01, 12:54 PM
Happy New year Dwight, BTW do you have an update on this project:confused:
Dwight Macdonald
2012-01-01, 05:58 PM
The project has been on hold since spring while I do the necessary fixture installations that come with moving into a new house ... I hope to resume working on the plane this week.
Kevin Rochon
2012-01-02, 12:56 PM
Hope everything works out well for you and your family this new year and good luck with the rest of the project.
Dwight Macdonald
2012-03-06, 09:02 PM
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Finally back to it. Cutting the stab servo bays.
Sempai-mj
2012-03-06, 10:09 PM
Nice clean cuts Dwight?
Is that a Weller soldering gun with a modified tip?
Burning Head
2012-03-06, 11:53 PM
I was not shure too .Ingenious the home made iron tip,good job Dwight.
Dwight Macdonald
2012-03-07, 12:22 AM
A piece of #14 house wire works well in a Weller soldering iron to cut any shape.
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Dwight Macdonald
2012-03-07, 12:49 AM
The tube, support and servo mounts are glued with polyurethane glue. The sheeting is taped together with masking tape spread with the same glue and pressed in place with a vacuum bag. The weight on top keeps it all straight. Water is sprayed on the foam to activate the glue. The edges are trimmed, sanded and the leading and trailing edges are glued with white glue.
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Dwight Macdonald
2012-03-07, 01:08 AM
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Kevin Rochon
2012-03-07, 09:40 PM
Good work Dwight it's coming along fine. Did you decide on a color scheme yet?
Dwight Macdonald
2012-03-08, 12:02 AM
No color scheme yet ... Any suggestions?
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Burning Head
2012-03-08, 09:12 AM
Can I know if you have made the dig for the wingtube or that was already done in the kit:)
Dwight Macdonald
2012-03-08, 11:48 AM
The wing tube hole was there from the kit. I just glued in the tube.
Michael V
2012-03-08, 01:36 PM
Hey Dwight
It`s been a while. I`m happy to see you haven`t given up on it.
I`d suggest a color scheme but I don`t have any idea:confused: I tried looking for one to suggest but could`t choose, sorry.
Kevin Rochon
2012-03-08, 09:36 PM
Color scheme is personal but they all start to look the same try something different, I saw one in the colors of the Snowbirds also this looks pretty mean
Dwight Macdonald
2012-03-11, 06:21 PM
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For the wings, the servo mounts, wing tubes and wire channels were installed similarly to the stabs. I put the wings in the shucks with some weight on top to keep them flat.
Dwight Macdonald
2012-03-12, 12:48 AM
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The wing skins prepared for installation.
Dwight Macdonald
2012-03-12, 02:17 AM
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The glued skins are held in place with four pieces of masking tape. A couple wraps of fluffy toilet paper lengthwise and one perpendicular are taped in place. The wing is put in the bag, placed between the shucks and some weight placed on top. The bag is evacuated to 4 inches of mercury, the weight is removed and the bag is checked for wrinkles and positioning. The wing/bag is placed back in the shucks, the weight replaced and the vacuum increased to 7 inches. The setup is left in this state overnight for the glue to set.
beto9
2012-03-12, 03:14 PM
Suddenly, we are going back to building our own planes. And what a build it is.
You cannot maiden that plane anywhere else but WIMAC, Dwight!
Dwight Macdonald
2012-03-12, 11:41 PM
Thanks Albert! Hopefully the maiden is not too far off ...
Dwight Macdonald
2013-01-17, 01:06 AM
I am still building away at this ... but rather slowly ... too many other things to take my time ... like long hours at work and full scale ... just a little trip from St Hubert to Vegas and back ...
Dwight Macdonald
2013-01-17, 01:33 AM
Leading and trailing edges, wing root caps with anti-rotation bolt sockets ...
beto9
2013-01-17, 10:19 AM
I am still building away at this ... but rather slowly ... too many other things to take my time ... like long hours at work and full scale ... just a little trip from St Hubert to Vegas and back ...
That was a nice "commute"!!!
Kevin Rochon
2013-01-17, 09:31 PM
Nice to hear from you Dwight, Happy New year to you and your family.
Michael V
2013-01-27, 09:11 AM
Hello Dwight
Looks like you had a fun trip to Vegas. I guess with the cold snap we had there wasn't much else to do but stay inside and build :)
You think it will be finished by the summer?
BTW Happy new year!
Later
Michael V
Sempai-mj
2013-01-28, 09:41 AM
The carden is coming along, slow but sure, very nice.
Hey Dwight I was talking to guy from your club in Sherbrooke, he told me that 2 cycle engines are being banned.
????:eek:
Dwight Macdonald
2013-02-02, 05:06 PM
I hope to finish the Carden for spring ... but will need to work on it a lot more than I have been. The club I fly at here in Sherbrooke just voted to continue allowing gassers to fly there ... that helps with my building priorities!
Dwight Macdonald
2013-08-30, 11:55 PM
I'm a bit behind on posting ...
Dwight Macdonald
2013-08-31, 12:02 AM
Finally looking like an airplane!
Dwight Macdonald
2013-08-31, 12:59 AM
For all the foam to wood I used Gorilla glue or equivalent. For wood to wood I used white glue (outdoor).
Dwight Macdonald
2013-08-31, 01:11 AM
I take lots of pictures so if I ever build another one ...
Dwight Macdonald
2013-08-31, 01:18 AM
Not quite at the "ARF" stage but getting there ... perhaps I will break the record on the longest build time ...
Kevin Rochon
2013-08-31, 01:32 AM
Hi Dwight,
very nice build this will be a sweet bird.
But I'm sure my Harvard build is longer then this one;)
Andrew Fernie
2013-08-31, 09:46 PM
Sure looks like a cute little Pitts Python in comparison! Hope to see it one day Dwight.
Andrew
Dwight Macdonald
2014-10-04, 01:54 AM
I'm a bit behind in my posts ... the build is still moving on ... need to dig up some pics
Kevin Rochon
2014-10-04, 02:32 PM
Always keep your camera/phone near you when working, because these post are like soap operas, can't miss an episode;)
JimmyG
2014-10-04, 04:16 PM
Dwight Macdonald;38343]Not quite at the "ARF" stage but getting there ... perhaps I will break the record on the longest build time
Nope ... I've been working on my "ARF" for 3 years already :D
zorba
2014-10-04, 10:33 PM
Dwight Macdonald;38343]Not quite at the "ARF" stage but getting there ... perhaps I will break the record on the longest build time
Nope ... I've been working on my "ARF" for 3 years already :D
Did you loose the manual?:p
Dwight Macdonald
2014-10-05, 01:35 AM
Installing the hinges and making the bevels for the control surfaces.
Kevin Rochon
2014-10-05, 12:12 PM
Very precise work, I like your use of gigs.
Dwight Macdonald
2014-10-08, 01:04 AM
Thanks Kevin. Jigs take longer at first but I find save time in the long run because there are less corrections to make afterward.
Dwight Macdonald
2014-10-08, 01:14 AM
A little weight saving here and there ...
Kevin Rochon
2014-10-08, 08:49 PM
Those encyclopedia are much more useful than Wiki and more accurate too. 1 question; judging by the drill bit, how long are the hinges you're going to use;)
Make it eat more fiber it might lose even more weight:D
Amazing work Dwight.
Dwight Macdonald
2015-08-01, 11:22 AM
Finally, it's ready to see the field... perhaps it will receive the longest build award. I will post the remaining build pics later.
Xavier
2015-08-02, 09:42 AM
dated may 2011, 3rd : ' My goal is to finish this by spring '
You didn't indicated which spring :-)
Congratulation Dwight
Dwight Macdonald
2015-08-02, 03:18 PM
dated may 2011, 3rd : ' My goal is to finish this by spring '
You didn't indicated which spring :-)
Congratulation Dwight
Yes, I must have been thinking 2016 ... Thanks Xavier!
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Dwight Macdonald
2015-08-08, 12:12 PM
So far it's had two flights ... one short one last Saturday with a forced landing due to a sudden rain storm and one medium one last Sunday with one of the two left aileron servos failing ... Hopefully today it will have a few flights ...
dhamultun
2015-08-08, 12:33 PM
That picture truly shows how big it is! Nice work!
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Sempai-mj
2015-08-08, 01:12 PM
Good luck!
Dwight Macdonald
2015-08-08, 10:31 PM
Thanks guys!
Got in 4 flights today. Flies nice and straight, only 2 clicks of up elevator trim required ... the CG is about 1 cm behind that recommended in the kit. The 45 degree upline test ... upright straight and inverted slight downward curve, indicates the CG is correct. Knife edge on the left (right rudder) will require a small amount of opposite aileron mixed in ... still have to figure out how to do it on the Jetti Tx. Knife edge on the right will require no mixing. I still need to adjust the rates for all the flight modes ... spin, snaps ... but it's looking like a great IMAC plane so far! The GPS in the plane shows max speed straight and level 110 to 120 mph (sorry for the American units), max upline speed about 60 mph, landing approach speed about 50 mph and touch down at about 30 mph. The highest altitude on typical the IMAC maneuvers is about 1200 ft above sea level (about 1100 ft above ground at WIMAC). :)
Dwight Macdonald
2015-12-19, 12:52 AM
I finally found some software to display the data sent to my Tx from the GPS in the plane. This is the first four maneuvers from my sequence flown last Saturday.
Dwight Macdonald
2015-12-19, 01:02 AM
Here is the whole flight, top view. Airspeed is depicted by color: green slow, yellow medium, red fast.
bob forest
2015-12-19, 11:45 AM
Dwight, that is fantastic. It really tells you a lot, especially being in the box. Also the shape of your maneuvers. Which radio are you using to get all this stuff. No need for me, just flying old scale planes, no more IMAC.
Enjoy while you have your health. all the best.
Dwight Macdonald
2015-12-19, 10:16 PM
I have the following Jetti equipment:
TX: DS-16
RX: Central Box 200 with 2 R3/RSW Receivers and magnetic switch
GPS: MGPS EX
Airspeed: MSPEED EX
RPM: Opto MRPM EX
One thing I wanted to know, which the GPS has answered, is whether or not I am flying over the neighbor's houses with my IMAC pattern. I appears that I'm OK except that I should not go too far out on the runway line after takeoff to the right.
bob forest
2015-12-20, 10:50 AM
Thanks Dwight, very interesting. I heard that is one good radio. We have a few in our club that has it also. Did not know it did all that.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-01-02, 10:57 PM
As promised, here are some more build pictures: More lightening holes ... I saved about 2 oz (60g) in the tail.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-01-02, 11:46 PM
After sanding with 80, 120, 220 and 320 grit, vacuuming then blowing with compressed air, spraying lightly with water to raise the grain, drying, sanding lightly again with 320, vacuuming and blowing with compressed air again ... the covering began. Most of the covering was done during the winter when the humidity in the house was low so the covering would not sag with humidity changes later on.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-01-03, 01:56 AM
Next goes the color, removing the white underneath to save weight, overlapping 1/4 inch.
Kevin Rochon
2016-01-03, 02:14 PM
On a plane that size I'm not sure the 1.76gr makes a difference specially all the work involved; would you do it again Dwight?
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-02, 12:34 AM
If I skip forward to when the covering is finished the total amount of white removed from under the color is about 4 oz ... so the holes in the wood/foam and the covering removed totals to about 6 oz.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-02, 01:32 AM
The bottom was a lot simpler than the top!
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-02, 01:35 AM
I used the backing from the white for a pattern.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-02, 01:40 AM
The colors were ironed onto the white then the whole sheet was ironed onto the wood.
Michael O'Bree
2016-02-02, 04:29 AM
Dwight
Thanks for sharing your outstanding craftsmanship.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-03, 10:26 PM
The wings are next. After fine sanding, vacuuming and compressed air to remove the dust, the wood is sprayed lightly with water to raise the grain. After drying, the wood is again sanded very lightly with 320 grit, dusted again, then the covering is applied. All the covering was done last winter when the humidity indoor is very low so the covering won't sag with humidity changes in the summer.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-03, 10:34 PM
Before ironing the first color schemed covering to the wing, the pattern was traced to a sheet of white for other wing using a pencil onto the backing paper. A light table was useful to see the lines drawn on the backing while working from the front.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-03, 10:41 PM
The covering is finally finished.
beto9
2016-02-04, 11:58 AM
A work of art! And know-how!
briankizner
2016-02-04, 05:01 PM
true. meticulous work.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-06, 01:56 AM
Thanks for your kind words guys! It was actually a real learning experience ... with a lot of web surfing to see how others had built similar aircraft.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-06, 02:07 AM
A lot of empty space inside the fuse.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-06, 02:13 AM
Balancing was done like a full scale ... level the plane, measure from the wall to the axle of each wheel, weigh at each wheel, calculate the moment (distance x weight) for each, add them up and divide by the total weight to get the center of gravity as measured from the wall ...
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-06, 02:14 AM
And finally, off to the field ...
Hyper
2016-02-06, 02:26 AM
Congratulation Dwight for your exceptional work!
I am looking forward to see it in flight .
Michael O'Bree
2016-02-06, 04:42 AM
Dwight-
Any chance of you setting up a separate thread to alert members whenever you plan to fly this magnificent bird at the WIMAC field?
Kevin Rochon
2016-02-06, 12:56 PM
Whenever Dwight flies it's this bird and it is a wonderful flyer. Dwight's flights are as precise as his building:cool:
Dwight Macdonald
2016-02-06, 07:03 PM
When spring is really here and the runways (including the grass one) are operational I will likely only be flying the Carden ... for now I have to make do with my small pattern plane "Sequence", which is a lot harder to fly my IMAC pattern with ... but good practice anyhow.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-05-22, 12:16 AM
It's had a few flights already this year but now I have finally flown it with all the bling ... pilot, spinner, wheel pants. Here are a few shots of the complete aircraft. Thanks to Chris and Kyle for help placing it on the nose.:):):)
Sempai-mj
2016-05-22, 06:50 AM
Wow, with you standing beside the plane really shows he size.
Great job.
briankizner
2016-05-22, 06:57 AM
absolutely beautiful.
Michael O'Bree
2016-05-22, 07:30 AM
"With self-discipline most anything is possible." Theodore Roosevelt
Truly inspirational. Can't wait to see it in the flesh.
bob forest
2016-05-22, 09:14 AM
Dwight, is that a 40%, it's huge. I love the color scheme you did. Great Job. I am sure you will do well with it.
Burning Head
2016-05-22, 10:15 AM
:cool:Great work Dwight
Mezri
2016-05-22, 08:05 PM
Very impressive...:blink:...good job...very good job...!
mitea_dan
2016-05-23, 12:03 PM
It's the PLANE.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-05-23, 01:02 PM
Thanks guys! Yes Bob, it's a 40%.
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Dwight Macdonald
2016-07-21, 12:48 AM
IAC (International Aerobatic Club) is what IMAC (International Miniature Aerobatic Club) is modeled after. There was a regional IAC contest in Springfield Vermont last weekend ... so I went to watch on Saturday ... There was about 35 pilots participating at Sportsman, Intermediate and Advanced levels. They fly higher than in an airshow, so not as risky. I found it a bit hard to see exactly how precise they were flying sometimes ... especially the one seat Pitts biplanes. They each just flew once through their sequence of figures per flight, it took about 5 minutes. :)
Michael O'Bree
2016-07-21, 07:13 AM
Great pics - thanks for sharing.
Sempai-mj
2016-07-21, 08:52 AM
Cool pics, does the Blue Plane have a variable 4 blade prop?
paul b
2016-07-21, 12:14 PM
Hello Dwight, let me say you did a great job. it looks fantastic, I built two 42% Dalton extras so I know what is involved to build one of these fantastic beauties your choice of top vs bottom colour will be great for showing during IMAC
paul b
2016-07-21, 12:19 PM
here is a picture of the two 42% Dalton extras, one has a DA150 on cans the other has a DA170 on pipes. The 170 came in at under 38 pounds, the 150 at just over 36 pounds. They have been flying now for 4 years all Hitec digital servos. 1 Choke, 1 throttle, 1 each elevator half, 2 each wing half, 2 rudder in push-pull.
Xavier
2016-07-21, 03:59 PM
It's very cool to have seen that. A few years ago I saw a few guys practicing in Sanford I think. Really cool.
Did you notice anything in the flying that could be applicable to Imac flying ?
IAC (International Aerobatic Club) is what IMAC (International Miniature Aerobatic Club) is modeled after. There was a regional IAC contest in Springfield Vermont last weekend ... so I went to watch on Saturday ... There was about 35 pilots participating at Sportsman, Intermediate and Advanced levels. They fly higher than in an airshow, so not as risky. I found it a bit hard to see exactly how precise they were flying sometimes ... especially the one seat Pitts biplanes. They each just flew once through their sequence of figures per flight, it took about 5 minutes. :)
Dwight Macdonald
2016-07-25, 12:03 AM
Cool pics, does the Blue Plane have a variable 4 blade prop?
Yes the 4 blade prop is variable. The majority of the high performance aerobatic aircraft have variable pitch.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-07-25, 12:08 AM
Hello Dwight, let me say you did a great job. it looks fantastic, I built two 42% Dalton extras so I know what is involved to build one of these fantastic beauties your choice of top vs bottom colour will be great for showing during IMAC
Thanks Paul. Your two aircraft look really great and are a very good weight for 42%. Did you do any special lightening work?
Dwight Macdonald
2016-07-25, 12:28 AM
It's very cool to have seen that. A few years ago I saw a few guys practicing in Sanford I think. Really cool.
Did you notice anything in the flying that could be applicable to Imac flying ?
One big difference is that our models are quite over powered compared to most of the full scale planes. The Extra 300's could do a nice upline with some rolls then do a good half loop to a downline (Humpty Bump) but the smaller Pitts biplanes tended to just do a rotation at the top, or a very small radius half loop. Many of them also did not draw a good line before and after roll elements on uplines and downlines ... likely because of not enough power on uplines and too much speed buildup on the downlines. Many of them seemed to hover for 1 or 2 seconds before kicking over in the hammerhead ... I presume this is to get a good rotation instead of a flyover.
David Janashvili
2016-07-26, 10:44 PM
Nice work Dwight
Dwight Macdonald
2016-10-05, 12:31 AM
This summer I flew this aircraft at 3 contests, Ottawa (Stetson Flyers), State College PA and Goshen NY (Black Dirt). At the first two I was the only one flying the "Advanced" level so got first place by default. At the last one there were 5 other competitors flying Advanced and I took the humble last place ... my points were 71% of those of the person with first place. This was the last contest of the season for the North East Zone.
To do better next season I noticed a few things that will help: a) Improve general flying precision, eg wings exactly level when they should level, flight path and wing positions closer to the lines (horizontal, vertical, 45 degrees), b) Better control of the position of each figure in the box, c) Better wind correction, d) Find a few volunteer callers from WIMAC when practicing so I will be used to using a caller (required at the contests), e) practice some "unknown sequences" with the help of my volunteer callers, f) get feedback from my callers so I will not practice my mistakes over and over.
Dwight Macdonald
2016-10-05, 12:34 AM
Here is what the caller will need to read while I fly::)
IMAC 2017 Advanced Known Standard Sequence B
Flying from left to right:
1. In the Middle, a Sharks Tooth
a. From upright pull to a vertical
b. On the upline, 4 of 8 point roll
c. Push to 45 downline
d. On the 45, a half roll and in the same direction one negative snap
e. Pull to exit upright to the right
2. On the Right, a Tear Drop
a. From upright pull a hard 45 upline
b. On the 45, a quarter roll followed by opposite one and a quarter rolls
c. Push 5/8th loop around the top to a downline
d. On the downline, one positive snap
e. Push to exit inverted to the left
3. On the Left, a Reverse Half Cuban
a. Push to 45 upline
b. On the 45, a 4 point roll
c. Pull 5/8th loop around to horizontal followed by immediate half snap, then an opposite direction 8 point roll
d. Exit inverted to the right
4. On the Right, a Roller
a. From inverted do 3 rolls to the inside while doing a 270 degree counter-clockwise turn
b. Exit inverted cross box toward the front
5. In the Middle, a Humpty Bump
a. Push to vertical
b. On the upline, one full roll
c. Push over the top
d. On the downline, one and a quarter negative snap rolls to the right
e. Pull to exit upright to the right
6. On the Right, a Hammerhead
a. Pull to vertical
b. On the upline, a three quarter positive snap roll to the left followed by a quarter roll to the right
c. Hammer over at the top
d. On the downline, one roll
e. Push to exit inverted to the left
7. In the Middle, an Outside, Inside loop
a. Push half loop with three half rolls at the top, followed by a pull half loop to exit upright to the left
8. On the Left, an Immelman
a. One and a half positive snap rolls followed by an immediate push half loop upward
b. When horizontal, immediate half roll, to exit inverted to the right
9. In the Middle, a Spin
a. From inverted, a one and three quarter turn spin to the left, followed by a same direction quarter roll.
b. Push to exit inverted to the right
10. On the Right, a Laydown Humpty
a. Push to a 45 upline
b. On the 45, one and a half negative snap rolls
c. Pull around to a 45 downline
d. On the downline, a three quarter roll followed by an opposite three quarter roll.
e. Push to exit inverted to the left
Dwight Macdonald
2016-10-05, 12:45 AM
Here is are the sequence sheets in the "Aresti" language
Sempai-mj
2016-10-05, 09:15 AM
I can volunteer and perhaps I learn a little bit too!
Xavier
2016-10-05, 12:37 PM
That is a long call sheet Dwight ! I can't speak fast enough to read it before the maneuver is over :-) Let alone listening to my caller talking all the time :-)
I prefer to learn the maneuvers and have only a few words as reminder. If I do mistake on a particular maneuver or there is a special twist in a maneuver, I add special instruction on the call sheet. It happened that I added notes between rounds...
Dwight Macdonald
2016-10-06, 10:44 PM
Thanks for volunteering Michael!
Xavier, I agree that it is a long call sheet ... Normally I just memorize the whole thing and the caller can just say the name of each figure (words in bold), which is fine for the "known sequence", the one I fly for the whole season. However, for the "unknown sequence" which is just given out to the contestants the night before and only flown once on the next day, with only "stick plane" practice ... a long call sheet is very useful. The sequence I have posted here is the new one that just came out for next year, which I haven't fully memorized yet ... so it is like an "unknown sequence" to me at this point. If I fly the figures quite large and slowly, there is ample time for the caller to read a comprehensive call sheet. Some folks like to collect old unknowns and practice them completely cold by having only the caller look at them before the flight. I would actually love to do this, but I need a caller that can read the Aresti directly without the call sheet ... perhaps my WIMAC volunteers will get there with some practice! :)
Xavier
2016-10-07, 08:27 AM
I forgot about the unknowns :-) You are right that all the details are needed then.
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