It is about time...

[beto9]

... that Michael and Greg unveil their next plane.

They have been playing this game with each other... "you choose it and then I choose it..."

Enough!

The Canadian people needs to know!

100 cc's? 150 cc's? 200 cc's? Three servos per aileron? Brakes? Parachute brakes? Smoke? GPS?

110 V. electrical power system?

Extra.... Edge... Python...?

[Michael V]

Well I don't have the plane yet, but I do have the motor and servos.
It is a DA-85 so it should be for a 33%, but I got a KS 1090 tuned pipe for it and Jeff at DA tells me that this setup will turn my mejklik 28x10(not shown) 6400rpm :) That is that same as a DA-100(correct me if I am wrong Dwight) so it could be a 35%
Batt's well be 3 Fromeco Iron Corps Extreme A123 2300mAh.
And receiver is a spektrum DSM2 9-Channel Rx Powersafe

[Sunfly]

I think this needs more Ex Plane Ation to the nation.
Will it be an Extra 260 from Aeroworks ? Do I read your mind ? :D

[Sunfly]

I guess you didn't go for a DL 100 for a weight reason.
Can't wait for DL to make a 85 cc, can you ?
Are you always satisfied with the DL 50 you have?

[xed]

My buying plans for a new plane have unfortunately been put on hold until at least 2009.

[Michael V]

My buying plans for a new plane have unfortunately been put on hold until at least 2009.

Sorry to hear that Greg, I hope you are not losing all your money at the poker table, LOL
Speaking of witch, When is the next game?

[xed]

No, I'm watching my stock/shares disappear this week, which was going to be used to fund my next plane so I cannot sell them until the market recovers.

[beto9]

Now, this has to stop!

Is OK if people want to play at being financial wizards and they screw half of the world... but when it is affecting our hobby...

NO MORE!


Al paredon with them!

[Dwight Macdonald]

Well I don't have the plane yet, but I do have the motor and servos.
It is a DA-85 so it should be for a 33%, but I got a KS 1090 tuned pipe for it and Jeff at DA tells me that this setup will turn my mejklik 28x10(not shown) 6400rpm :) That is that same as a DA-100(correct me if I am wrong Dwight) so it could be a 35%
Batt's well be 3 Fromeco Iron Corps Extreme A123 2300mAh.
And receiver is a spektrum DSM2 9-Channel Rx Powersafe

6400 rpm with a mejzlik 28x10 is about equivalent to a DA100 with canisters or stock mufflers ... but you may want to use a 27x10 because the 28x10 will likely be quite noisy (higher tip speed). With my setup the 27x10 and the 28x10 give about the same RPM (~6600) because I think the 27x10 must have a slightly wider blade.

[Sunfly]

Just to bring to our attention:

At 6600 RPM. a 27 in prop tip will travel at 530 MPH
and a 28 in prop tip will travel at 549 MPH.
At ground level and normal pressure and temp around 20 C the sound barrier is about 740 MPH
The prop tip speed of our "small" props is quite far from the sound barrier.
By observations I have to admit the slower the prop tip the more quiet it will be.

I did a calculation also for smaller engine and I always get figures at just a little bit over 400 MPH.
Ex: a near overreved Saito 100 at 11000 RPM (Engine limits)witha prop of 13 in. give a tip speed of 425 MPH.
Calculation: DxRPM / 336.14. Were D is expressed in inches.
The result is in MPH

Even if we add the speed of the plane let say a generous 70 MPH the tip speep is still well in the subsonic area.
I am wondering why we start to ear that small supersonic bang at high RPM.
Is the prop tip vortex rolling faster than the tip speed?

That is the only thing I can see. I would like to have the real explanation about this.

Thanks

[beto9]

I think that what we call "supersonic" sound from the props is really just sound from the high speed prop....

Or maybe a combination (harmonic?) of the engine sound and the prop sound... no engineer here...

Why we don't hear the sound from a large electric plane prop? I guess they rotate at lower speeds...

[Sunfly]

That popping noise increasing exponentially with the plane and prop tip speed
I would think this is a small supersonic bang.

See you !

[bob forest]

You get that sound from electrics also. If you watch Xavier fly his pattern plane, he gets that sound.

[Ionel]

Try this link for more info :
http://www.bolly.com.au/book/content/22.htm

[Michael V]

I think this needs more Ex Plane Ation to the nation.
Will it be an Extra 260 from Aeroworks ? Do I read your mind ? :D

http://www.greathobbies.com/productinfo/?prod_id=AWK10088
If GH can ever get it for me, it is taking a long time.
3 weeks so far.
Does anyone know who is the dis for AW in Canada?
maybe I will just call them direct.

[xed]

HiFlight RC (http://www.hiflightrc.com/html/warehouse.html) is usually feeding stuff to Great Hobbies in Canada, not sure about the Aeroworks ARFs though.

[Sunfly]

Wow ! This is a beauty Michael.
I hope you will have a lot of fun with it.


Cheers,

[Michael V]

Wow ! This is a beauty Michael.
I hope you will have a lot of fun with it.


Cheers,

I am sure I will have a lot of fun with it :)
If I ever get it that is. LOL

I believe you are right Greg, but for some reason I can not check to see if they have it in stock or not.

[Shawn]

Albert has the # of AW. They are not a cooperative bunch.

[Kevin Rochon]

Yes has Greg mentionned High flight RC is the Canadian distributor for AW and also DA.

Kevin

[Sunfly]

Hey Kevin,
With all what you know about who supplies what and ... how.
Why don't you // we open a hobby shop in the West Island.
If you want to start a business I am in 50 % 50%.
And I am serious.

[Kevin Rochon]

Yes sounds great Luc....in theory,


very competitive field, it`s a luxury so in bad time guess what happens. Also the market is very small, so you have to diversify and even then there`s the Wall Mart Toy r US out there....


Kevin:(

[beto9]

Michael, did you receive the Yak? Is "green dotted" at Great Hobbies.... but many times that doesn't mean anything...

You will have to fit it with skis :angry:

[Kevin Rochon]

What is green dotted?

kevin

[beto9]

They put a dot of different colors besides the items to indicate the stock status. Green dotted means you can spend your money...

[Michael V]

You are looking at the 75cc Yak this has a green dot.
Mine is the 85cc Yak it is at the bottom of the list, red dotted.
I called HiFlight myself yesterday, they told me they are picking 3 of them up today and should have them in stock ready to ship by next week.
That means I could have it by Thursday-Friday in two weeks.
Plus to top things off, I called Wildhare for the wing. I was told they are not going to carry the 84" Edge any more, changing to an 88" version. But they might have some stock coming in late December. So does anyone want to buy a wingless Edge 540, I am moving on again. I am placing an order for one of the 50cc AW Yak's.
You know Albert I still want to see your Yak fly.
Later

[Dwight Macdonald]

I have a few wings (92" span) for my fuseless Aeroworks Edge540T 31% ... perhaps a hybrid ... of Edge540 parts ... I also have some good tails for the same plane ...

[Michael V]

We should try it.

[Dwight Macdonald]

You are welcome to have all the parts if you like.

[beto9]

What you say confirms my suspicions... they order a containerfull of a given model, they sell all of them and then... let's push another model...

If you a see a model on sale is because is approaching its inventory end...

Who are they?
THEY!

Do not dispair Michael, you will see my Yak... next year. I will use the rest of this year to run the engine (OS 1.20 2C)

That silly Edge 540 .90 got all my attention this year... finally is running OK so probably it will crash soon... and then I will look for parts and.... you guess the rest!

[Michael V]

got them :)

[beto9]

So, I imagine before you couldn't sleep because it was not there and now because is there!
Big boxes!

Enjoy, do not rush the building or you won't have anything to do the rest of the week....

[Michael V]

It is coming along fast :)
Should be finished by tomorrow.

[Michael V]

It is coming along fast :)
Should be finished by tomorrow.

Engine is on, wing and stab are ready and some electical is installed.

[Michael V]

Well it didn't take long, very impressed how well built this plane is.
Instrustions are great.
I test ran the motor tonight (it's my DA-50 off of the Edge) it just came back from DA. I had sent it in to be tune-up and have all the gaskets changed, had over 500 flights I believe.
Started on the 5 flip :)
Can not wait to get it in the air!
I well start on the 33% AW in acouple of weeks.

I'm back baby!!!!!! See you at the feild, if you can handle the cold:)

Later everyone

[beto9]

Congrats Mike... looks great...
I am sure you a re sleeping better...
What is "33% AW"?

[Kevin Rochon]

Hi Micheal,

Looks very nice!

I went flying at Brossair saturday(always tricky to land there specially with no leaves on the trees and 90 degree winds). It's great there they have a wood stove and a few guys had brought there guitare so we jamed between flights. But after I went to Ray's and finally got to see his 40% carden, really big, the 30 inch prop looks small compared to the cowling.

Kevin

[Michael V]

Hey Albert
The 33% AW is the other new plane I got. 33% AreoWorks 85cc 98" wing
The one above is to replace the damaged Edge 540.

Thanks Kevin
I didn't know they were building a 40% Carden, Cool.
I know Brossair has a nice setup for winter flying.
I plan to go there a few times before the lake freezes.

Later

[David Janashvili]

I am watching my stock too, from top to bottom, 38 Planes!!!
Same time disappears in the field, but it’s ok!!! I have next one:)
No hard feeling...

[Michael V]

38 planes, wow!
you must have a big workshop with a lot of planes hanging all over
Good to hear from you, are you going to come out flying this winter again?

[beto9]

Hey Albert
The 33% AW is the other new plane I got. 33% AreoWorks 85cc 98" wing
The one above is to replace the damaged Edge 540.

Thanks Kevin
I didn't know they were building a 40% Carden, Cool.
I know Brossair has a nice setup for winter flying.
I plan to go there a few times before the lake freezes.

Later

Yes Mike, but WHAT is the model's name?

[Michael V]

AeroWorks Yak 54 85cc

[beto9]

I guess you really like the plane... now you have Yak-Yak....
Enjoy!

[Michael V]

I mounted the throtle and choke servo's, engine header and pipe.
And test installed a lot of the hardware I am going to use.

[beto9]

Gooood Mike! This is going to get your head into serious things and distract you from pursuing those helicopter toys....

Do you already hear the engine in that beauty?

Yak-Yak!

[Michael V]

Once I got past the motor and throtle/choke servo's set-up, this was not as easy as the manual read. There was some tri stock in the way of the mounting bolts and I was have a hard time getting around this.
It looks like it will be quick to finish now.
I may be testing the motor in a couple of weeks.
I have grown bored with the little heli, I have started back on the sim practicing IMAC an of cource getting the 33% in the air.

[Andrew Fernie]

Easy to get bored of the little helis. Now you need a bigger one for bigger challenges.

Andrew

[finnegan]

Bigger heli!

[Michael V]

Hey Everyone
I worked on the Yak a little each night. And I and 95% finished.
I am suprised how close in size between the H9/Carden 50cc and the AW 33% 85cc.

[Michael V]

I have a few other pic't for.
In one of the pic's you can see the new wing of the Edge :)
I got it. I am going to finish her and sell her or put a new engine something big like a MT 57 bully, or a DA 50 with a tuned pipe.
We'll see.

Later

[beto9]

Real flying machines...

Greg? What is your response?

A DA 175 plane? Why are you keeping it under wraps...

[Chris Bowes]

Awesome Mike, some really neat work on the install there, real attention to detail

[Dwight Macdonald]

Looking good Mike! What do you expect the 33% to weigh?

[Michael V]

I have a scale so I will weight it when I am finished.

[Michael V]

So I just have the cowl to finish.
but I want to run the motor a few times first.
She weights 24.5 lbs and with the DA-85 on a pipe I should get 45 lbs of thrust :)

[bob forest]

That is one big beautiful plane. That should be very exciting to fly. Congrats.

[beto9]

Hope to be there when it comes to life! With camera....

[Dwight Macdonald]

Wow! It looks awesome Mike!

[Kevin Rochon]

Very nice Micheal, any chance we can see the bottom?

Kevin

[xed]

Looking good Michael!

Here is the underside:

2749

[Michael V]

I started the motor for the first time this afternoon.
WOW!!!

I turned a 26-10 7500 rpm, And she goes from Idle to a Ripping 7500 in the blink of an eye.
The power blow me away. I wanted to see how much thrust but was getting dark plus I set off my neighors car alarm :o opps
I believe I am going to need a 3-blade prop to cut down on the noise and because I don't have much clearance for the prop.

Later

[Michael V]

Well I put the cowl on this week.
I also took her to work and showed my co-workers
They all couldn't believe the size:)
And I took her to the feild to run the motor though 1 tank.

I was wrong about the RPM. I am getting 6600rpm
I tried to test its thrust with a fish scale, it was not easy but I believe I got around 43lbs.
I have sent the 28-10 Mejzlik 2-blade back to DA, they are sending me a 25-12 3-blade to replace it. This should cut down the noise.

Later

[bob forest]

Mike, is the engine hidden with a fake rotary, looks like a black something hiding the engine. Really a good looking plane.

[xed]

Real flying machines...

Greg? What is your response?

A DA 175 plane? Why are you keeping it under wraps...

Well, it has been a long time coming...

Won't be a 175cc but getting close, 111cc, DLE (Chinese version of DA-100 with more power and about the same weight as DA-100L).

A preview...

[beto9]

Did you see the date of my first posting? You don't have the right to keep it a mistery... c'mon... c'mon... name it! Which plane....

It looks like a Yak..... because it has two wings:D:D:D:D:D

R/C Pilot make? C'mon! C'mon! Fess up!

[xed]

Yak, nope, that is Michael...

I'm an Extra pilot...

RC-Pilot is correct, customized scheme, direct from Guangdong province in China.

They will send me pictures of the plane as it is covered and painted (cowl) by their professionals. It won't be an "original original" scheme on the top side but so far I'm aware of only one other owner of this plane in this scheme.

[beto9]

Is a pitty that R/C Pilot doesn't make the Edge... such a sweet plane, as you could see..... Extras are great also.... 260 or 300?

[xed]

Gonna be another 260, their 300 is out-of-stock.

[beto9]

Great! I forgot to say Congrats!!!!

[Michael V]

:p what is wrong with a Yak?
I have confuse though my next plane will be a extra.
Hey Albert check this.

http://www.aero-works.net/store/detail.aspx?ID=382

[beto9]

Edges.... sweetest flying planes ever....

[Michael V]

But I have to go with Greg on this one.
So I am also getting into the 100cc size plane with an Extra also, I am picking up Paul's DA 100 and I just ordered AW 35% extra 260 from HiFlight.
So That gives me a Edge, Yak and a big Extra :)
It is going to be a good summer.

[beto9]

So many planes, so little time (and so much sh...tty weather...)

Michael, my Yak will fly this year, promised... I have to dust it!

[Michael V]

So many planes, so little time (and so much sh...tty weather...)

Michael, my Yak will fly this year, promised... I have to dust it!

Please tell me when I want to see it!
And bring the girl ;) from AeroWorks

[Dwight Macdonald]

Sounds like my Python is going to get smaller and smaller! What are you guys thinking of putting on your 100+cc's for exaust systems and propellers?

[xed]

Mine is coming with a pair of cans and headers. For prop, I'm starting with a Xoar 27x10, not sure what to expect.

Gonna be a while, 20 or so business days before it ships from China and who knows how long it will take for customs and then getting all the extras purchased and shipped.

[Michael V]

For now,
The AW fuse has been updated to fit tuned pipes but I am getting the DA-100 from Paul along with the MTW can's.
Wow, it's going to take that long Greg.
I know it's a 111cc but I still think you brake-in with a 26-10.

[Dwight Macdonald]

Cans sound like a good way to go. Which plane did Paul have that DA-100 in Mike?

[Michael V]

I believe.
Dwight. I have not forgotten about your car.